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JSBrownieb's avatar

So a John Kasich or even a Ted Cruz? More Republicans like Kevin McCarthy? Shall we bring back Ryan’s & Boehners?

How do you think we got here?

Trump didn’t rise on some fantasy of “lunatic fringes” hoodwinking the great unwashed. Nor on the support of the comfortable and uninflected. I’m guessing a lot of your analysis is correct, except you left out counting voters.

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Adam Graham's avatar

I'm not certain I follow your first paragraph. I certainly never advocated for more Republicans like Kevin McCarthy. Nor did I cite Kasich or Cruz except an example of how they had two separate voting blocks.

I think you've kind of runoff, and grabbed a few phrases, built up a few strawmen and aren't addressing what I actually said but reading things in that aren't there. My point is that Trump is that the deck is stacked for Trump as the GOP nominee in 2024. You're not telling me why I'm wrong or really elucidating anything, so I'm a little lost as to what your point is.

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JSBrownieb's avatar

I read your article in full. From your text it’s safe to assume you’re not a trump fan.

So what’s your alternative choice? I’d keep in mind they’ll need to be effective while dealing with a monolithic left, an unchecked administrative state, and the aftermath of a Biden/Harris/Rice rubber stamp presidency.

Lastly, you did address pretty much everything pertinent, except 61+ million or so trump voters, (a Republican record). That’s 61M all apparently led around by a “lunatic run” state party structure, Influenced by Charlie kirk’s and a collection of newly labeled “fascists”.

Yes, trump has a lock on the nomination if he wants it. I held my nose and voted for him in 16. Surprised the hell out of me - given his spectacular performance in office, I’d be happy to vote for him in 24. It’s not like there’s a JFK democrat on the planet to vote for.

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Adam Graham's avatar

I do not think the Republican Party is salvageable and that we need a new political party. That is my stance. As to the 61 million Trump votes in 2016, I'd point out that only 14 million voted for Trump in the Republican Primary, 55% of Republican Primary voters voted for someone else. And many only voted for Trump because they had no effective choice left due to candidates being eliminated or withdrawing.

Despite competitive primaries on both sides, more than half voters who voted in the general did not take part in the primary elections in 2016. Of those 61 million voters, many would have voted for any warm body v. Hillary Clinton. To assume that all 61 million or (73 million in 2020) who voted for Trump did so because they were enthusiastic supporters who would choose him above all others is flawed thinking. More than half in 2016 were simply choosing the best they could of the two choices offered.

Similarly, not all Trump voters are part of the lunatic fringe. Again, many are made the best of the choices offered to them. However, the Trump supporting fanatics who have taken over State parties and who are part of the 24/7/365 Trump boosters are indeed a lunatic fringe. Your casual Trump voter cast his or her voter before last November. They have no interest or time to be involved in State parties. The people running state parties are not "leading" all Trump voters. They have seized control of their state parties and control the agenda of those parties and will set the rules for choosing future nominees.

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